Will Steam kill Zindra, and what age are gamers anyway?

I’m usually the blog that -DOESN’T- talk about the same hyped up stories as everyone else, but rather finds my own hype to get overworked about. πŸ™‚

But here’s a second time I’m breaking that.

Been a while since I’ve blogged…

But some recent news is curious. Hamlet noted it here:
Second Life Coming Soon to Steam with Improved Graphics in Apparent Move to Position Virtual World as Gamer Platform
Second Life on Steam as Expressed in a Single Screenshot
– Which is where I discovered this just today. A bit late to the party as I’ve been offline a lot of late.

Here’s the official announcement:
Second Life is Expanding to Steam

So this is some kind of gamer platform thingy I gather. As in “OMG, TEH GAMERZ, TEH IS INVADING! HIDE YOUR FURRIES!”

(Actually the only group of hardcore gamers I’ve ever found in SL -is- the furry community, a fact that drives me nuts as I go there and want to talk about ‘stuff’ and they’re all talking about ‘pwning’ each other in ‘mass result 47’ or something. πŸ™‚


Average age of gamers is 37:
Study: The average gamer may be older than you think

Yeah, your kid has moved on to Facebook and wearing his jeans around his ankles…

Video games are for OLD PEOPLE…

Like Disco and mood rings…

By contrast average age of SL players is mid 30s from what people keep claiming.

Are we the same, or 2 years younger then them? πŸ™‚

Probably the same. We’ve been telling ourselves SL is the older crowd, but this probably actually -IS- the gamer crowd already. We’re just the ones who were too slow to escape the zombies and orcs… So we’re in SL instead.

So what does this mean for the content we “love” in SL.

You know… the live music and philosophy and artisti… yeah right… who are we kidding?

The porn, bdsm, gor, furries, fashionistas, bloodlines, gothers, builders, and tinies… But mostly… the adult stuff…

I’m not in that scene, but we all know that’s the heart of this place. And I -do- SL-live on Zindra. It has the better neighbors these days…

By some odd twist of logic I’ve yet to wrap my head around, Zindra looks nicer than a lot of SL now… Somehow those adult builds that looked so amazingly garish I used to post about it all the time have gone. In 2009 it was all that ‘fugly WTF’ look. Now: something a lot better. They have the best looking land now, and often more pleasant or at least not -in your face- neighbors.

(I still won’t touch the groups over there, those folks went toxic from fighting each other, but the land is better.)

I kind of like how its evolved into a settled and mostly pleasant area over time.

Will all these Steam “gamers” they’re bringing in care about the ‘porntopia’ around SL… If they bother to show up?

Since they’re really just as old as us, maybe they’re already really past the ‘hormone age’ -not likely to do much harm- and possibly already here?

BUT… the public and game companies still think they’re selling to kids… so the real fear is… Will Steam force LLs to remove ‘A’ rated content and zones?

No idea…

I don’t think the people using Steam will care. But the public looking in and seeing a “porn game” listed on the Steam platform might force Steam’s hand to put a ‘damper’ on ‘that video game’ in some false belief that video games are still for kids.

13 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Iohannes
    Aug 21, 2012 @ 01:17:06

    I pretty much already left SL, save for a few select groups. Guess I’m one of the oddballs that actually did like the live music, philosophy, and art. SL’s gone to the gamers, so it’s better to move on for me.


    • Pussycat Catnap
      Aug 21, 2012 @ 08:50:48

      There’s no reason to read anything that I wrote as implying those scenes are gone from SL in any way. That would be over-reading it. One can go to a movie because its got their favorite actor and still enjoy the plot. And the movie can get most of its sales off of the fact that it has that actor, and still also have a good story. My bit there was meant as humor – a light jab of “yeah we know why you’re really here, now stop camming mah skirtz.” (puts on skirt that is easier to cam) πŸ˜‰

      But yes; steam is a gamer platform. SL is going to the gamers. I argue that -we- already are the same community as the gamers. But… that the world at large still thinks the gamers are in middle school, and not mid-life middle management. πŸ™‚


      • Iohannes
        Aug 22, 2012 @ 01:55:12

        I guess I just moved on. OpenSim has my interests more, particularly 3rd Rock Grid, Haven, and Craft World. Smaller places, but more community oriented, and much more affordable. I know the owners and have them on my friends list. I think I maybe saw, or heard of a Linden coming around maybe once in my whole time in SL, which I created my first account in August of ’06.

  2. zzpearlbottom
    Aug 21, 2012 @ 03:14:57

    LL knows that sex has no age nor race nor gender and it still sells like no else!
    And there are a lot of much more older players then any can think off and still cray about i!


    • Pussycat Catnap
      Aug 21, 2012 @ 08:56:11

      Yes, what I am saying is that gamers are in fact older players. And likely already here. Gamers are in mid-life now, not teens. BUT… LL may know how much appeal the sexual content has… will Steam? When SL finds itself as a “game” with “XXX content” on a platform that is sold to people in their 30s and 40s… no problem. BUT, when people -wrongly- think that that platform is for kids… problem.

      – Even among gamers its common for them to refer to all -other- gamers as ‘annoying whiny kids’. It seems in every gamer discussion each speaker believes they’re the only adult in the room, playing this stuff as a 40 year old in a room full of 13 year olds… when in fact the 13-year olds are busy elsewhere, not into the computer games as much, and the room is actually full of 40 year olds.

      My concern is that Steam might put pressure on LL to ‘clean things up.’

      While I don’t do adult content, I also don’t want to see that community pushed off grid – because it would kill the grid.


  3. Hypatia >i
    Aug 21, 2012 @ 15:21:27

    LL did clean things up, sorta of, they just never followed through completely. What they need to do is enforce the clean up policies out side of Adult Sims. That would actually help Zindra and other Legit Adult Sims.

    PS. I am a gamer. and well out of my teens.


  4. zzpearlbottom
    Aug 22, 2012 @ 06:01:51

    If any can push Lind Labs are the Porno companies!
    And Rod knows well why The Sims franchise is still a game in the mood!
    I think to many in USa thinks about SL as a “Adult game” as a terrbiel thing, see how many steam games are Adult rated and still no lack of players (Adult content can be sex, gore or else!)


    • Pussycat Catnap
      Aug 22, 2012 @ 07:30:24

      Yeah – never underestimate the almost “Taliban like nature” of American Evangelicals. They want to be that intrusive and controlling on people’s lives, and having captured one of our major political parties – they are close to getting it.

      The false perception that games are for kids (when the reality is most are like Hypatia above-adults) helps them gain support from all sorts of “OMG think of the sweet little babies being hurt” types…

      I’m not sure Steam is a good move even if this wasn’t a potential concern. SL really can’t grow anyway – there aren’t any names left (well, not many)… Until they fix the whole names fiasco, there’s no room for new people in SL.

      But while Steam might improve our graphics a lot, it is well worth thinking about what costs it might have. The one I’m on here might not be an issue at all, or it might be coming right around the corner. Good to be mindful either way.

      I’m pretty sure LLs did think about this concern, I just don’t believe they care… They’ve never understood where they money was coming from in terms of ‘human motivations to stay on the platform’ – they see the dollars and land and shopping, but not the why.


  5. Iohannes
    Aug 24, 2012 @ 18:24:15

    But games are for kids, or at least have been first and foremost used as a teaching tool for kids. That is not to say that there can’t be any games for adults, but that the educational aspect still needs an application. In that sense, ‘adult’ is more the issue because, like always is insisted, ‘adult’ need not mean porn, nor even gore. In the most general sense, it can comprise the interests of adults over those that are not yet adults. Those that are not yet adults may also be interested, but certain areas of the adult content and interests are not suitable for those yet in their adulthood. Most particular, the sexual activities are what we do not want the younger users to get into, both on legal issues, as well as religious and moral issues that should be considered respected. The lack of consideration and respect in these regards, as well as other areas, are also reasons why people leave.

    That should be more to the advantage of all adults the actually act like adults and respect these considerations. Unless you really want your morals, religious beliefs, or otherwise be compromised legally. For I do think it an intrusion, as well as disingenuous for adult material that ought not be compromised to be so by a younger audience it was not intended for. This is especially true when the authorities that be could prosecute people who unwittingly got duped by someone they did not know was underage and get locked up for something they never intended to do.

    Freedom in all these things comes with responsibilities, both to ourselves and to our respective communities, and also is a rather adult thing that has merit to be achieved, as well as something real adults can model for younger people to emulate. However, when these things are breached, trust is breached. And when you lose people’s trust, you eventually lose the people themselves when they get tired of being lied to and otherwise feeling they’ve been compromised too much for a community that flat out doesn’t care and only sees you, if at all, as a dollar sign, or someone easy to exploit for cheap labor or resource while making everything around a person more expensive than necessary.

    Let’s face it, adult (porn/gore) is a limited market, and only holds those with the most addictive nature to them. They don’t fulfill much else but the habit. And ultimately, habits either die out when people are tired of them, or they grow so excessive that it ruins people’s lives, depleting them of all things that would make for something sustainable for continuing. Therefore, ‘adult’ material needs things more fruitful for people besides sex and gore. Otherwise you don’t get to the core of what is truly meaningful for the adult to stick around. Especially when there are places in the metaverse where adults actually act like adults, rather than spoiled and immature grownup children.


  6. Yordanos
    Jul 02, 2013 @ 03:49:01

    I really don’t see how this topic has any sort of relevance. Most of the people I meet on SL use Steam, and it has been that way ever since I started 5-6 years ago.

    It’s stupid to say that the majority of gamers are immature babies or whatever you want to call them, because gamers vary just as much as fans of movies do. There are mindless games and complex games, which can range from RPGs, shooters, puzzle games, and even games like solitaire.

    Also, I don’t see how Second Life would appeal to any sort of action gamer, because the action in SL is just plain dull all around. This is mostly because of poor sim performance and poor SL performance in terms of FPS and lag.

    And… games are not for kids, they never have been. Games are for whatever target audience they have been made for. On top of all of this, there are plenty of games on Steam with sex, nudity, or adult content in general. Some quick examples of this would be:


    In short, no… no no… Steam is as much of a threat to SL as any other sort of profile linking thing you can have, which is no threat at all. SL has been losing popularity and sims recently, and I’m glad it has, but there is no way Steam could hurt SL.


    • Pussycat Catnap
      Jul 04, 2013 @ 19:03:25

      The funny thing here is you’re somewhat agreeing with me about who gamers are. But you’re disagreeing in the conclusion.

      The thing is, truth is not important. Only bias and perception matter. It doesn’t matter what kind of person one is, if society insists on labeling you, you have to first address that label.

      As a minority, that’s a fact of life I’ve had to deal with for over 40 years. No one cares what kind of person I am, only that they see a brown person. I have to force them to care; through violent retribution or being twice as smart, twice as virtuous, and twice as non-violent, and twice as ready to stand up for myself.

      Gamers get labeled as something – and that was the point of my article.


  7. Iohannes
    Jul 05, 2013 @ 17:34:08

    Games have been linked to kids because games have been used in pretty much all societies as educational tools that try to teach or challenge in some form. The target has always been kids for the same basic rationale on how cubs wrestle each other in the wild, or just how humanity has always used games – as a way to do something and try to give incentive for doing that which the game was designed to have done. Doesn’t mean that games are just for kids, but by and large, and because of their purpose, they are often targeted to kids.

    As for ‘adult’, that label is crudely used when it tries to sugar coat over what is really meant, which is porn or profanity. An adult conversation doesn’t have to have either in it, nor does anything else that may be meant for adults. It can mean what is exclusive to adults and not meant for kids, even if it might have things that would be ok for kids. For instance, an adult living center would cater to adults only and prohibit kids. Doesn’t mean that the adults that live there are all into pornography or spouting profanities – just that they was to keep the community just for adults. Some sims in SL are like that because they don’t want to deal with the teens. And I can understand, since sometimes it’s nice to be around people closer to your age, or of a certain age level or maturity that comes with the age. Not all that are over 21 are adults, but you can tell between who are actual adults and those who are still adolescents, especially those that have too much angst and insecurities, and frankly just send the vibes of being immature. The ‘adult’ meant by ‘adult entertainment’, which generally means pornography lends itself to being more the adolescent adult that are still childish, though indulging in stuff that shouldn’t be seen by kids. It likely ought not be seen by adults either, but, on the negative of free will and choice, people can choose to listen, view, and participate in it as they like. The adolescent in his/her childish angst may be drawn to the porn ‘adult’, but a mature adult has, for a variety of reasons, either kept from being a part of it, or moved on to the more nobler aspects of adulthood – that which a kid can look up to as something to strive to become.

    As for the gamer label, well, it all depends on how you want to go about it. There’s the immature gamer stereotype that is similar to the comic fanboy/girl that never grew up and is obsessed with it to the point of having no life or real friends beyond their fantasy heroes. But, there’s also just being a fan, or someone who happens to like games/comic books that also can disconnect from the game/comic and do things in the real word, like hold a job, have a social life with friends, or at least meet up with people and participate in things beyond the games/comic books. Doesn’t mean you have to be a socialite, just means you have to be able to unplug and look up, and do other things in life. It’s not a bad thing to have a diversity of things to do in your life, in fact, it’s highly advisable.


    • Pussycat Catnap
      Jul 15, 2013 @ 20:03:47

      I think you’re misunderstanding me.

      I’m not saying games are for kids only. I strongly disagree with that. I am saying the general public still holds that view – even the people who spend hundreds of hours downloading apps for their phones of little games use creative logic to explain that they are not gamers and that games are for kids…

      The bias is trailing behind the reality – and will for some time.

      The same is true of the ‘gamer’ label. Studies show the actual ‘gamer’ is usually an educated woman in her 30s through 40s. She will buy most games, and most of those purchases are for herself.

      Yet society still thinks gamers are teenage boys with ‘socialization issues’ in dealing with the opposite sex… These people are actually among a rapidly shrinking demographic of gamers.

      Yet it is the women in their 30s through 40s that cling to the stereotype the hardest, among the consumers. The actual game companies also cling to it, and invest millions into games for a shrinking market while having a small department off to the left somewhere that makes the apps that actually sell faster, or sits there in denial while a startup down the block makes those apps.

      And investors cling to it too. Look at Zynga. By all rights that should be the most successful company in the world right now – but everyone jumped ship on the thing (granted even its own CEO has no faith in his own product, despite being one of the few game companies to manage to sell to the “everyone” market).

      Perception counts more than reality – and people’s perceptions can doom them even as they are succeeding.


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