Giving Maitreya a new look

(Caution: This article shows nude closeups of ‘adult attachments’. NSFW ahead.)

So I’ve been letting it out lately that I’ve recently switched to Maitreya.

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Yes this is Maitreya – with some mods.

Folks who know me may know I have a long history of slamming Maitreya at basically every single last opportunity I could find. Historically there are a number of things I have never liked about the Maitreya mesh body. Most of them are still existing.

So… what, exactly, could possibly get me to flip my stance?

I’m going to run down the list of issues I have had, and for each I’ll run through how I’ve gotten myself past it, if I have, or how the body no longer has those problems (the 5.0, 5.1, and 5.2 updates are key to this).

No support for butt or belly physics

This is still an issue, so this one actually still counts as a minus vote. So obviously enough other things have changed to outweigh this. But why did I ever care to begin with? I am a mostly full time nudist in SL, and so I like to have a little motion to the various parts of the body. Belly physics have never been key to me – that is mostly a feature needed for a ‘heafty build’ avatar. But buttock physics – you have only to look at the popular dance style ‘twerking’ to see that motion here is a very much realistic thing. I’m no fan of any twerking dances I have seen in SL (recently found a kit that is an almost… and I might get it… if I do this might change)… but just when walking about, dancing, and in SL sex there is motion here that should be reflected.

The breast physics are too extreme and flop all over the place

I have never gotten physics that I felt looked natural. While there was nothing for butt or belly, there was too much for breast. I am currently very close to getting there though, due to forcing myself to work on it after the switch. That said one of the other things I did in the switch, somewhat obvious in the screenshots here, made this issue not-relevant.

The breasts are too small, even at size 100, and they radically deform if you go too high or too low

I still feel the breasts are too small. At size 100, they are ‘smaller than real life’ to my eyes. The Maitreya 100 is where I feel roughly 65 should be. Even Belleza at 100 feels a little small to me these days, and for the past year I’ve been using a deformer to boost it up more (and suffering some deforming under the breast). Maitreya has just put out a ‘petite’ kit which is aimed at going even smaller – moving in the exact wrong direction for me. But they noted the body was updated to support new breast kits, plural, so I am hopefully they will look at the other end as well…

That said. This:

Proud Girls Breast kit for Maitreya seen on Pussycat

Proud Girls Breast kit for Maitreya

Proud Girls: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/MdlM-Proud-Girls/13105977

Lets me go to a comic-book level extreme on the side of big. Not as big as some of those old ‘super chesty’ mods we used to see before the age of mesh bodies, but basically on the size of a 90s super hero comic book…

I know that’s a bit silly, but I like it. I added this note to my profile in regards to it:

Yes, my avatar is extremely busty. It’s 1/2 turn on & 1/2 silly. If you laugh with me over it I’ll like you, but if you laugh at me over it you’re missing the point

It can scale from what you see above to about what Maitreya at 100 looks like, without deforming. It does have a different shape though, and there are no nipple mod-kits for it, and only a small number of mesh clothing items exist. So if you’re not a nudist it’s of limited use (but see the reply to my review that the creator made: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/products/13105977/reviews/4658665#comments ).

By the way… with some heavy work on the shape dials, here is what I am now able to get with Maitreya’s built in breasts at size 100:

What changed for me was realizing that breast-buoyancy breaks Maitreya if dialed up, but enhances Belleza. So in the above I have Buoyancy for Maitreya at 0. Note that the Belleza is a little deformed because of the size enhancer… So I had trained myself to be used to that… which also lessoned the impact of a switch.

 

I didn’t like the shape of the body – it was too thin, too scrunched in hips, odd shoulders, and so on.

I spent a few hours with myself an alt each standing on pose stand placed at the same coordinates – so my alt standing inside of me. The alt had Maitreya on (2 of my alts have had Maitreya for years, but not kept updated – updated one to do this).

I adjusted dials until I had as close of a match as I could get. What I found was just that the dials I expected to need where not the ones I did need. For example my Belleza Freya at body fat 5 if my Maitreya close to Body Fat 24, but also with hip length much higher, saddle bags lower, torso and leg muscle much higher, height lower.

I am still facing defeat on the shoulders:

But it’s better, and the rest is passable.

The feet can’t be adjusted in size

This was a major issue for me, because proportions are vital to me. And locked foot size meant I could not have proper proportions with Maitreya in most shapes. This issue has just been fixed with the 5.2 update. That update breaks all existing Maitreya shoes unless you set foot size to 25… but the assumption is new shoes will start to properly support resizing and those who go barefoot will of course be free to have good proportions now.

So this issue is resolved for me.

Why bother to switch when it’s just another super laggy body. Maitreya and Belleza both are lag beasts…

With the 5.1 (or did this happen in 5.0?) update Maitreya switched to having each layer worn individually. You can see that here in my 5.2 copy:

– This is extremely important. When you wear just 1 of these layers, you are dramatically reducing your impact on lag for yourself and everyone around you.

Here’s the “complexity” as Niran’s Dragon Viewer score it, for 3 major bodies:

RegaliaMaitreyaBelleza2

So that is:

  • Regalia: 31,928 (33736 triangles)
  • Maitreya (only skin layer worn): 134,699 (176,297 triangles)
  • Belleza: 424,473 (521287 triangles)

– Do note that Niran’s Viewer is seen as not correct by the Lindens, but Niran has a long article refuting this. Whether or not you agree with his chosen numbers, Niran’s method of basically ‘lets not let people get away with tricks to hide the true impact’ results in some pretty shocking revelations about different bodies.

What you can see here is that 5.2 Maitreya is dramatically lower than 5.2 Belleza. Regalias is absurdly lower than either of them. Do note that Reglalia can wear Maitreya, Belleza, Legacy, and Slink clothing – the problem is that it’s made for furries, has paws instead of feet, and uses a unique UV-map so it can only use skins made for it… BUT I note Regalia to make the point that even though Maitreya has improved a lot, it can still improve a LOT more.

This should not be underestimated.

The lag impact of 1 person on Belleza is similar to perhaps 15 people on pre-mesh system avatars (2011 era). Maitreya would be about 3 of those. Maitreya 4.x or older would be like maybe 5-8 pre-mesh people. Regalia would be possibly less than them because it’s mesh is just so optimized it’s possibly lighter on your GPU than prims… but I’m not sure on that…

If you visited a dance club today and it had 5 people on Belleza… it would be like visiting that same club in 2011 and it having 75 people… If it had 5 Maitreya 5.2 people, it’d be like it had maybe 25 people. If they were on Maitreya 4, maybe like 30 2011 people…

That’s why everywhere you go these days seems to be laggy…

It’s a LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT… I’m basically ONLY talking about the impact of rendering triangles, and ignoring everything else… the Everything else is also getting worse – except for resizer scripts (those got better)…

These days so many stupid fools walk around with their HUDs on… I’ve seen so many screenshots of people made in gyazo that reveals they still have their Maitreya HUD on. No one but a pure stupid as a brick idiot should be doing that… that is your other major source of lag… but that’s got nothing to do with my switch of avatars… it’s just something that annoys me to the extreme… I’d love to see a script that could detect if you were wearing a config HUD for your body, head, or cloths in public, and if so flat out log you out and crash your computer after infecting it with malware… because that’s what you’re doing to the rest of us… them freaks need to get smacked off the grid… /endrant…

(I’m sorry for the angry nature of that, but come on everybody… there is lag we’re stuck with, and there is lag that is our own fault… let’s not make a bad problem worse by doing things that we don’t even get a benefit out of, like leaving stuff you don’t need on…)

 

So really that covers my ‘things I dislike and how I got past them’. But it kinda just adds up to a wash, save for the lag issue.

Note on the resizer scripts. Back around 2011 Linden Lab introduced a new way to have a single script effect a bunch of things linked together. Before that to resize something that was say… 50 prims linked together, you needed 51 scripts… Since 2011 you only need 1. While people have IGNORED the many other things Linden Lab fixed over the years (folks are still using bad client side or viewer side AOs and not the serverside ones introduced in 2013, that I now have a new freebie for)… in this one single area the community listened. I yelled up a storm about it, and I suspect… I and my freebies were soundly ignored… but people saw the issue was so bad they paid a lot of money for others to tell them the very thing I had told them for free… so we got there anyway.

 

Another big thing to get me to switch was the release of the Sensations v7 Vagina

Remember I’m an SL nudist… There was basically 1 female prop that was rigged for Belleza, and it did so with a blended transparent prop on top of the body meaning some ‘transparency glitches’ would occur, and it could not spread open enough to ‘contain a male member during activity’…

Open vs Closed – WordPress allows nudity, but not action shots, but just recognize that the open there is enough for your SL adult needs

The sensations one spreads enough to handle typical male prop girth. So I can take shots from a wider range of camera angles…
Also notice how it’s a cutout, so you actually have a ‘view inside’ which can be key to certain shots from certain angles.

And it lines up perfectly with the body without transparency issues. And it’s low complexity.

And… it’s BOM. So the skin of the outer lips is a perfect match the moment you wear it (if you’re using BOM, which is the best way to deal with using a single layer Maitreya body).

Only problem is that it’s currently Maitreya only. There’s a plan to make it for Belleza and Legacy also – but that’s in the future. Still if I knew that was coming soon it would diffuse this issue to being ‘not enough by itself’… it’s just that when you add this together with the other things, it all becomes enough to motivate a switch.

If this all seems a bit weird and ‘extreme’ to you – this is really no more than anyone would demand from a male prop. Why should the female anatomy be shorted? I want for my avatar all the functionality I can get for whatever she might get up to.

And right now, I can only get that with Maitreya.

 

The last thing to note is about ‘Bakes On Mesh’ or ‘BOM’.

BOM is only worth switching to if you’re using mesh properly configured for it. That means no onion layers. You want a single layer mesh, and then you use the old ‘pre mesh era’ skin, tattoo, clothing, and alha masks to ‘bake’ a look together just like we all used to do before 2011… Then you apply the ‘BOM’ texture to the mesh, and SL replaces it with the baked system stuff.

– A lot of mesh bodies and mesh heads have a BOM applier in their HUD. But only a very few of them actually give you a single layer mesh to wear it with. In the Body camp, one of those is Maitreya. I believe Slink is the other but I am not sure.

So once you go Maitreya 5.2 or higher – you really also want to go BOM for the maximum lag-reducing result.

Doing that… was the final piece of my choice.

 

For heads I am not sure. I am investigating. I use CATWA but it just applies BOM onto the Onion system. I still have the Onion layers. I am looking for something with a face I can like that is single layer.

Suggestions are welcome. But it has to have a ‘skin layer only’ head. Whether that’s the default way it comes or something I can get for it / choose to do with it. I need a mesh head that has ZERO other layers: no makeup, no tattoo, no hair, no lip, no brows, no nothing. Maybe it can have lashes because I’m not sure if BOM can even bake to there – but that’s it.

And because I’m a neko it also needs good fangs…

 

2 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Sama
    Jul 05, 2020 @ 04:58:25

    Slink has mesh heads that are BOM only and they also have optional pointy teeth. Perhaps worth looking into?

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  2. Spiffy Voxel
    Jul 05, 2020 @ 08:10:43

    I just updated to Maitreya 5.2 the other day, having bought the Lara body back in 2017 (which would have been 3.5 I think?) The addition of Bakes On Mesh support with Lara 5.0, and the move to just the one base mesh with optional mesh layers for those still using Maitreya or Omega appliers, has drastically improved my avatar complexity! The only downside is that if you have a lot of tattoo layers on top of your skin, there’s a big delay while they all get sent to the Bake servers at Linden Labs to be converted to one layer that’s then applied to your avatar. But I’m looking to work around that by making a custom skin that removes the need for most of the tattoos.

    I agree with your critique of the Lara body, particularly the shoulders. I went through a ‘tits & ass’ phase for a while, which was fun but also instructive in how badly some mesh clothing copes with large breasts and butts. And when I tried out breast physics, that lead to a load more WTF, especially with nipple piercings. Nowadays, I have the boobs dialled down to 35, which is fine for me as I’m aiming for a more androgynous / slightly fem look.

    My biggest gripe with Lara 5.0 and upwards is that the nipples are way too prominent for my liking. Since my avatar is an alien, I’m toying with the idea of combining a custom skin with the Bakes On Mesh add-on that’s included with the Lara body, so both nipples and belly-button are smoothed over.

    Whoa this ia big-ass comment, lol. I enjoyed the post, started following your blog recently. 🙂

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