Is this true or false? Notecard given to me claiming Maitreya is toxic to content creators. Incorrect?

I have no idea if this is true or not. It’s something that early on set my opinion against Maitreya (which I am now currently using).

 

This has been bothering me because I am hoping it is wrong.

 

In going through old outfits I had set up for Freya and seeing if I had a Maitreya version for the item, I found a curious notecard from a clothing maker in 2017 explaining why the outfit had no Maitreya sizes.

It’s now got me wondering if it’s true or not… so since this person made the notecard, and sent it out… here it is:

Hello i would like to explain to you, why i don’t support Maitreya lara any longer.

The Mesh Developer Kit is very bad. This means the Mannequin which is included in the Developer Kit for the 3d Programs is too big. And this means making items fit the way they should is very time consuming, slowing the whole creation process down and frustrates to a point where the creating is no fun anymore.

As a Maitreya User you might have noticed a lack on consistance in fit when it comes to Maitreya when it is not one of the HUGE stores like Cynfull or Blueberry. Those stores employ professionals which we, the smaller stores can not effort. Also Many stores do actually mesh their items on Belleza – because it just has the best resolution and definition. They mostly fit it afterwards to maitreya. This said. Belleza is what you are actually already wearing. It is just simply adjusted to Maitreya.

Also by signing a contract with Maitreya ( which you have to do to get their official Kit ) you lay a lot of restrictions upon yourself as a creator and designer.
One of those restrictions is, that you are not allowed to ever release a meshbody in Second life. Now we could say, PFF, there are already enough bodies,w ho needs those ? And they could be right BUT it shows how much of a monopolization is forced upon the grid by the Store named Maitreya.

Now we get to the design of the actual meshbody. I personally really despise Maitreya. It is not a body i would call beautiful. It lacks realism and knowledge of Anatomy. The arms and shoulders are bulky and fat. Ever wondered why you shoulders like the shoulders of someone working at a construction side for 40 years each day for 9 hours ? Thats not you. Thats the Lara Body.

Now to the Life of a Designer in SL who doesnt want to support Maitreya.

I often here, that people would actually WANT to change and get a Belleza Body. But they have so much Maitreya Exclusive. That is a point i do understand, but nobody expects people to trash those items nor to trash the Maitreya body. I am just convinced that it should be like a secondary body then a Primary one. You wanna wear your dead dollz dress today ? Wear Maitreya! But if you want to wear quality go with Belleza. i can’t stress this enough.

I tried to talk to the Owner of Maitreya like many people before more and it ended in a final of ” There will be no update on the Mesh Kit in any near future ” since she WOULDNT KNOW what she could make EVEN !!!!! better. Also she became very rude and called me High Schooler for saying MANY designers agree and didnt give a list of all the names. ( who would have probably been kicked from official Maitreya Lara Designers groups like i was kicked from the Flickr group after i tried to talk to her 😀 )

A while ago i was INVITED TO THE BOUNDBOX. And i was very excited. I worked 2 weeks on my Item and even learned a new Program to offer the best possible item. After rigging to Belleza and making the belleza Sizes i ran into the Problem, that NO MATTER what i did, the mesh looked horrible on Lara. It was lumpy and too big and yet the body managed to poke through. After 5 hours of weightpainting i abandoned the idea and talked to the Founders of the Box. Who instantly swapped me out with someone else since ” Maitreya is a Requirement” – What this means – It is okay to do Maitreya Only Itens – but it is not okay to do BELLEZA ONLY SIZES.

This supports the Maitreya Monopol even more. And the last store who tried to force a monopol upon the grid was TheMeshProject.

After the Boundbox Incident i decided of officially put up a fight against the forceful demand of Maitreya Sizes.

I hope i could make it clear why this all happens.
If you are interested in another body and want to listen to the opinion of my very small self – Try belleza Isis or Freya:

can be found here : [link to Belleza store]

I wish you all a very good time and never do things that make you feel bad and frustrate you. Life is short and you deserve to be happy 😀

Is there truth to this, in part or in whole?

These points:

  1. Maitreya is bad to model for – making it very hard to make items fit right. So clothing makers usually make for another body, then adjust to Maitreya afterwards.
  2. Maitreya requires people agree to never put out their own mesh body
  3. Maitreya has bad anatomy – “The arms and shoulders are bulky and fat”

 

I know number 3 is true. But it’s true of almost every mesh body, because it’s true of the system avatar. If you ever wear something not rigged for Belleza on Belleza you will notice the arms of your clothing are not in the same spot as the arms of Belleza. This was because Belleza “tried” to fix this issue, with partial success… but I long suspected it actually made Belleza the harder body to rig for…

Number 3 is especially true if a modeler starts by working with something like a body from Daz3d that has a proper ‘matched to real life’ skeleton.

Daz3D is for art, and they have revised their base skeleton many times now over the years. Everytime technology allows them to go one step further… well, they wait for the sales of the old body to slow, and make you buy the upgrade at full price… BUT… that upgrade is also always a massive leap forward in reflecting good anatomy… SL by contrast, is a 3D skeleton made in 1999, 4 years before SL even went live, and on technology much more limited at the time, and which looks like it was a bad reflection of anatomy even back then.

So I kind of expect The first claim to be true of all bodies, to varying degrees, but extremely so if a content creator didn’t start in SL.

And I feel it’s important to note this. Because it CANNOT be blamed on Maitreya… it’s just a flaw of SL’s Skeleton. LLs has not been willing to do what Daz3d does – put out a new skeleton and break all old content. I can understand why even as I wish that they would despite what it would do to my inventory… I think most people would revolt over it…

 

As for the other 2 claims, I have no idea. They are completely outside my area of knowledge.

 

Number 1… is Maitreya particular poorly set up compared to other bodies? I don’t know. I don’t have the foggiest idea how I would even begin to know… I suspect it is highly subjective too. What would be the way to know? Weight maps? Rigging? I don’t know… I don’t see it as the important issue though.

 

Number 2 however… leaves a very sour mood if it’s true. That’s the one I really am curious about. I suspect no one would be willing to answer it openly under their brand name… but I’m hoping to find out if it’s true or false nonetheless.

It’d be very easy to prove false: is there any mesh body maker out there in SL that ALSO makes clothes that fit Maitreya and use the logo that says something fits Maitreya on their products? Find me just one… and we know the second claim is wrong.

 

Ideally I’d like to feel morally OK being a fan of multiple mesh body creators… so I hope the middle claim up there is wrong…

 

What I’m looking for… basically… is to see if I have a ‘comeback’ against the maker of this notecard and any similar statements I may see being made… or if I have to begrudgingly accept their point. I’d prefer the comeback, if it’s out there…

 

2 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Spiffy Voxel
    Jul 27, 2020 @ 02:14:28

    I’m not a mesh clothing creator, so cannot answer your questions about how easy it is to design for Maitreya. However, I can answer the second question based on what little I know about Blender and other 3D modelling apps. Maitreya (and other mesh body makers) supply 3D models of their bodies complete with skeletons (for rigging and posing purposes) and UV maps (for texturing) as part of their developer kits, and the prohibition is there as a warning not to copy those 3D models and pass them off as your own.

    I wouldn’t say that I’m a Maitreya fan — I would prefer if I could buy clothing that fits any body I wear, but alas Fitted Mesh never really got a foothold and the marketplace instead moved to clothed designed for specific mesh bodies. *shrug*

    I’m very curious about the comment in that notecard about many designers modelling for Belleza first then adjusting to fit Maitreya. I wonder if that is still the case? I think I might get a few demo packages that have both Maitreya and Belleza versions and see how well the latter fit me.

    Ugh, and don’t get me started on SL anatomy! Not just the shoulders and arms — I wince anytime my avatar is in a lotus position, because my hip joints break and distort. That is definitely down to the SL avatar, I’ve seen it long before I moved to Maitreya.

    I’m planning on relearning Blender and trying my hand at making Fitted Mesh clothing for my own use. I looked at the process for getting Maitreya’s dev kit, and they’re only interested in giving them out if you’re an established designer with a store or portfolio. It’s possible, I suspect, that some designers are using pirated copies of the dev kit instead. That might explain why I occasionally try on some clothing and it doesn’t quite fit right on me, they’ve used an old template or cut too many corners (pun intended.)

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    • Pussycat Catnap
      Jul 27, 2020 @ 10:56:13

      My concern would only really be: is Maitreya forcing you to agree to never make your own body – one wholly original to yourself. If they’re forcing you to agree to not copy theirs that is fine, in fact expected – on that score I would be 100% in agreement with them. But if I opened Maya and started trowing lines together until I had a human body of my own… and they didn’t like that… that would be where I’d have issues with a ‘no compete restraint clause’… And I’m just not sure if this 2017 notecard is actually correct about that.

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