Second Life Mesh Avatar Bosom Comparison

Your avatar’s bosom is a very personal thing. Somewhere that gets a lot of attention and has a lot of self-identity wrapped around feeling naturally you. Only makes sense that getting a mesh body that looks “right” here can be very important.

This is also the area where the different mesh bodies seem to have the greatest amount of variation between brands. I have discarded more choices over how they conveyed this part of the anatomy than any other area. If it doesn’t look ‘right’, if it doesn’t move ‘right’ with avatar physics, it just isn’t me.

I’ve taken comparison screenshots of the bosoms of the Second Life fit-mesh avatars I own from the front and side, at the sizes of 30, 50, 75, and 100 in both ‘breast size’ and ‘buoyancy’.

I think it helps illustrate how different bodies perform.

This may help some in making choices between different mesh bodies.

Here you can see which of them ‘break’ at the larger extreme, as well as just how large each can get. I find that all but Belleza and The Mesh Project (TMP) break in the side view at much of these size ranges. And only those two brands plus Banned can handle size 30. While only those first two brands plus SalinA can handle size 100 (though SalinA at size 100 is comic-bookish, it still holds together the shape of its proper ‘design theory’).

All but the TMP one use an old freebie texture I used to give out, that is, well, too low quality to even be a freebie in today’s SL. TMP doesn’t allow people to make appliers for it unless they get on a very select approved list – no Omega system… so I had to use one of their appliers. It may look better, but that should be a massive red flag as it means you cannot use most skins you might want to use.

I’ve done the cheap texture for three reasons:

  • First in that I fully own it so I could hand it out to all my alts and anyone else who wants it for testing – letting me get a uniform look across all but TMP.
  • Second this texture doesn’t have anything in it to enhance the look of the bosom, so you can compare the the shape of the mesh itself, and not the tricks we all use to make it look better.
  • Third because it is not as ‘nice looking’ I’m hoping to avoid some of the common issues with SL Men who… have a very notable inability to control their own behavior upon seeing visuals of women… (as I noted recently in a post on my flickr, since rejoining SL Nudism, my mute list has been steadily gaining more and more male entries). Comments to this article from people who lack self-control will be moderated.

I’m putting this below a ‘fold’ so that people need to click in as the content is even more ‘in your face’ that the visuals in many of my other posts.

See below for some thumbnails, click them for the full sized images on flickr (because my blog’s stylesheet forces all images to no wider than 650 pixels).
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New fullperms Freebies out: Belleza Freya and Isis Proportionaate Shapes and Physics Kits

I know its been a year since I’ve updated my blog and I’ve still yet to get around to doing new reviews of mesh bodies…

However that said, I’ve put out two new freebies:

One for Belleza Freya:
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/FREE-Belleza-Freya-Proportionate-Shapes-And-Physics-Kit/7691358

And one for Belleza Isis:
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/FREE-Belleza-Isis-Proportionate-Shapes-And-Physics-Kit/7691737

Please go get a copy, and hand it out to people as desired.

ProportionsKitBellezaFreyaProportionsKitBellezaIsis

This kits include, as pasted from the notecard included with the kit:

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3 Shapes for Belleza Freya or 3 Shapes for Belleza Isis
– They vary in bosom size, and with each of those I’ve also adjusted the butt, saddle bags, and some muscle.

1 “Zion Kitty Multi-Posing Stand”
– This will give you some handy poses for editing yourself or worn attachments.

5 Props to wear on “Avatar Center”
– These will let you see your proportions, handy if you change these shapes or make your own proportionate shapes. As long as you stretch these uniformly, they can be used to tell if an adult avatar is proportionate regardless of how tall or short it is. They will work regardless of the gender of the avatar.

3 Physics Files
One for normal clothing, one for more firm clothing that holds body motion in place, and one for nude, bikini, and the like unconstrained motion. These will need adjustment to your personal preferences, but should be useful for getting started.

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Finally there is a long winded notecard with the instructions above (in more detail) and a list of what shape dials can be modified without losing proportions.
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Some tips from that notecard:
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When adjusting your own shape, these are the shape dials you can mess with without messing up the proportions this kit helps with:

All dials from:
Eyes
Ears
Nose
Mouth

These individual dials:

Hover
Forehead Angle
Brow Size
Upper Cheeks
Lower Cheeks
Cheek Bones

Chin Angle – somewhat… it will slightly change your head size. But minor tweaks are OK.
Jaw Shape
Chin Depth
Jaw Angle – Same issue as Chin Angle
Jaw Jut
Jowls
Chin Cleft
Upper Chin Cleft
Chin-Neck – Same issue as Chin Angle

Torso Muscle – this will slightly effect the way we test body width, but it is safe to ignore that impact.

Neck Thickness
Breast Size
Breast Buoyancy
Breast Cleavage
Love Handles
Belly Size
Leg Muscles – Won’t effect my “tests” by extreme values “in isolation” are not proportional.
Hip Width – Won’t effect my “tests” by extreme values “in isolation” are not proportional.
Butt Size
Saddle Bags – Won’t effect my “tests” by extreme values “in isolation” are not proportional.
Knee Angle

Foot Size – this dial doesn’t work on the Belleza Body. The Belleza Body’s foot is about 1/4th of a toe too big for these shapes, perfect for an avatar about 1-3″ inches taller, and too small for any shape over that height. But at the height of this kit’s shapes, any issues are so small you won’t notice them unless purposefully testing them like I did for making this kit. I didn’t even know this until I prepared this notecard… In other words, don’t worry about it. πŸ™‚

Any “male specific” dials are safe to adjust.

If you adjust any other dials, you will need to use the props or a healthy pile of rulers to retest your proportions. πŸ™‚

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You have my permission to give the contents of this kit out, include it in things, use it as a base for your own shapes (free or commercially sold) and so on. No need to ask. I want to help as many people as possible get their shape proportionate and yet also customized to their self-identity, so I’m all for seeing the items in this spread around.

So not only do you have my blessing to hand this out, but I’m hoping you do so.

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And so yeah… I’m a BIG fan of mesh bodies. It might be obvious that a year after my last review, I’ve now since settled on the Belleza Mesh avatar, specifically the Freya body, but both bodies are very high quality. The shapes will more or less work on most bodies – and the included props should help you fix any lingering issues.

Why does this kit have so much more “loot” than my kit for standard sizes? Because that was made in 2011 and this is made in 2015, and I’ve learned a few tricks to make measuring proportions easier. πŸ™‚

Do Disproportionate Avatars Lead ‘Normal People’ To Leave SL?

EDIT: This is about proportion. Not height save for where it is disproportionate. If you think this is a ‘height police’ article, try to remember the last time someone was denied access to a venue for being too tall. Some folks are using that term, ‘height police’, backwards.
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The basic question is: Do the severely disproportionate avatars that make up the majority of Second Life create a low-key alienation that causes people, especially newbies, to leave SL?

In an article on building by scale or eyeballing, the origins of the distorted and wacky stretched avatars in SL came up.
(Ok, the commenter just made a comment about the height, and Penny’s argument that smaller avatars get back more land, then linked to me, so it showed up on my referrers this morning.)

I believe LLs didn’t set the default height – residents did. I could be wrong because if Ruth is a giant, then the blame might rightly be on LLs.

We -CAN- blame them for the horrible anatomy, and the sliders all having the wrong ranges (such as female arms only being normal at 90+). While we can credit them for having given us so much amazing customization, they did it with notable flaws. At the time they started SL, I was in the Poser community and there was keen awareness of anatomy in 3D models. There were a -LOT- of people putting out human meshs. Some for free. Most of them would have -LOVED- to pad their resumes with “I’m the person who made that avatar for SL.” But somehow LLs got a base avatar made by someone who clearly flunked Mrs. Frankenstein’s 7th grade art class. Hmmm…. or maybe that’s the one art class they passed…

As to freakish heights and all the distorted shapes in SL… We residents can hold the blame for that.

People lacking a meter on the editor, and being new and so not knowing to rez a prim. Plus, not knowing what metric means… (my assumptions) people just got it wrong.

My guess is they wanted to be ‘big and cool’ so they slid the dial all the way up. Next person comes along and wants to be ‘bigger and more bad’ so matches, and then slides up the leg slider as well…

And so on, until we hit today were half these avatars have all the dials that can add to height maxed out.

The end result is all of the Baketballer T-rex avatars we have in SL now. Male and females. 99% of them have T-rex arms. If you’re a female avatar above 5’7″ or so, it is impossible to -NOT- have T-rex arms.

But that was 2003, this is 2012. No excuses left. Yet “professional” shape makers are the absolute WORST people in SL at making shapes. The more expensive the shape, the more horrid the anatomy. Want a good super looking and amazing shape? Go grab a rezzday noob, put them in front of Penny’s or my proportion guide (or pad your results and make them read both), then take the result. It’ll be better than 90% of the grid. Even if its tall. :p

Ok… but we know that won’t happen… we have what we have, and it looks horrible and jarring to the eyes.

The alienation issue:
Anyone used to looking at real life art, anatomy, or even with a good eye for visual composition will notice this and end up a bit alienated in SL.

Sometimes I suspect the reason so many people in SL have strange personality quirks is that “normal folks” find SL visually jarring due to how distorted the avatars are. :p
– They see it, but aren’t trained to recognize it, so it gives them a reverse-uncanny-valley effect of alienation, and they don’t realize how easy it is to correct, so they leave after a bit proclaiming other reasons like “SL plays weird.”

We have even Phillips Rosedale claiming we’re all a bunch of sad pathetic freaks. Ok I exaggerate – but his comment was not exactly stellar… And he’s also tried to say SL is successful, but we users have no imagination.

– If we try to parse that out of the way tech geeks speak, which tends to be harsh, blunt, and more critical than they intend (if a tech geek thinks something is mildly dull, they will call it pathetic. Very common among them to over-criticize. You might see me doing that here, and realize that I’ve been working with tech geeks for almost 3 decades now… it rubs off).

What we might end up with is that he thinks SL’s users are a little off from the range of normal. But we also desperately want to be normal. Ie: We’re not proud of what we are.
– But because we have a distorted sense of things, maybe a lot of SL users really -CAN’T- see that their avatars look freakish (see also).

A friend of mine with very strong aspergers has tried to be an artist a few times – but the work always comes out surreal, taking my eye to point out why others are not seeing what was intended. On the other hand some of the most amazing art in history was made by people who were not ‘handicapped’, but actually deranged.
– SLs users are not insane. Well… most of them are not. But they are ‘special people.’ And not in the way your kindergarten teacher meant.

There are a lot of extreme individualists here, A lot of people with anger issues, and a lot of people with extremely strong preferences for things “polite society” looks strangely upon.

So now, my giant leap in logic is to assume this comes out in the shapes of avatars. Or more precisely, the inability to see when the shape is distorted and “wrong” on a scientific, anatomical level. People with a level of disconnect with socialization, end up less able to see when something which is a social cue is off-kilter. It doesn’t alienate them the same way it alienates “the masses.”

SL is a surreal freakshow to walk through most of the time. And I’m not talking about the art builds. But normal everyday everywhere SL. Its a freakshow looking at the tall spindly avatars with skinny unreal frames and giant butts, frowns, fish-lips, and so on.

I suspect this is very off-putting to so-called “normal” folks.

As long as we have these freakish avatars there’s visual alienation going on in SL. And not talking about the furries here… I’m talking about the Fashionistas. The 7-foot tall legs up to the sky but skinnier than a pencil with a rear end the size of Texas…

Consider that slight high pitched whine coming out of electronics when something in the frequency is just a tad off. Over a few hours of sitting around it, you can get a headache, and then you start to get moody, you start to lose focus on what you were up to, and maybe you end up leaving or not getting something done, or having an argument with someone there… and while you think it was because of what they did, or because you didn’t sleep well, or you had other things on your mind… it all came back to that little whine jolting you slightly out of your comfort zone.

People can look at furries, aliens, animals, cartoon characters, and so on – and accept its different and -MEANT TO BE DIFFERENT-. They then jump into or away from it or don’t care. But when they look at something meant to be identifiably human and alike to them, but its got this ‘low key something is off’ about it. Something they can see, but lack training to explain…
– They get tossed out of their comfort zone. Over time the annoyance builds up, and then they give up.

Having tried some MMOs with bad 3D models before, and being slightly art-trained, I’ve a keen sense for when “the look isn’t right” and knowing why. Most people can get the first half of that – feel its not right. But not the why. But I’ve seen some things rapidly lose their audience because the visual was not right. Other things may have subpar content, but capture amazing audiences because the visual is tight and iconic.

SLs visual is off.

The anatomy is so poor, and the avatars so often off… and I suspect this is one major and yet largely unrecognized reason for the poor retention of new users.

But the solution (assuming you believe my idea is somewhat correct)… that’s going to take one person at a time, until a critical mass is reached. And its unlikely to occur anytime soon.

If you start with good body proportions:
https://catnapkitty.wordpress.com/2011/06/15/getting-good-body-proportions-in-second-life/
literally -EVERYTHING ELSE- just falls into place.

  • Animations from motion capture work better (but those made inside of SL with anypose work worse).
  • You get more land usage back
  • Your mesh costs less Land Impact when scaled down
  • Your avatar starts to feel more ‘real’ looking and so more comforting, even when its a furry.
  • You get to lecture people about not being a child avatar. :p
  • You stop alienating the noobs, newbs, and others around you with your wacky anatomy. :p

Mesh clothes don’t care if you’re tall or short, thick or thin. They care about stretch of bust-waist-hips

Sept 18, 2015 Edit: Obviously fitmesh bodies are the clothing made for them are an exception to this. As to regular fitmesh on the default avatar – for some reason I have as yet been unable to find any that actually fits…


I keep seeing this over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again… πŸ™‚

Something like this:

The […] standard sizes are ridiculous. Oddly, they seem to have decided that [large are fat][small are skinny][etc]. I wonder if those who created the β€œstandards” ever [assorted complaints]

This is because the person concerned is reading a word the way say, men use it when they shop in the real world.

Mesh clothing works a little more like a lot of T-Shirts do, and a lot of women’s cloths. Where a size small means you’re skinny, and a size large means you really don’t need to stop at Burger King on the way home tonight.

Think of it like this, using the standard sizes:

XXS: Michael Jackson would have done a concert to feed you.
XS: You look thin
S: You’re fit.
M: You shop in the plus size section.
L: You have reserved seating at the local Fried Chicken joint.

And just bump those one position for men, since male STandard sizes go from XS to XL. Male XL is basically female L.

You could still be taller than Abe Lincoln, or Shorter than Mini-Me. It just don’t matter.

Look at the standard sizes program, notice how it only seems to care about a few certain dails:

Women:
Body Fat
Torso Muscle
Breast Size
Love Handles
Belly Size
Leg Muscle
Butt Size
Saddle Bags

Men:
Body Fat
Belly Size
Torso Muscle
Love Handles
Leg Muscle
Butt Size
Saddle Bags
Package
Pectorals

Notice what’s not in there?

Height. Having T-Rex arms or legs. Your neck. Your head. Your ‘thickness’ dial.

Why? Cause mesh doesn’t care. These are scale dials, or for the head – would not be important unless you wanted to buy a mesh ski-mask to go rob the local stop-n-rob in Bay City (hey I own that shop…)

There are only two dials that matter for mesh that are -NOT- in the lists above; Breast Buoyancy and Cleavage. If you don’t know why – you’ve never touched real boobies… πŸ™‚

So if you’re tall and thin, and you looked at Standard Sizes and thought “this is broken”… go try the XXS or XS size. That’s probably you.

Mesh fits a -LOT- more people than some think. Many who feel it doesn’t fit them are in fact within the zone of commonly used settings.

The deformer won’t help these folks. If they grab a ‘large’ mesh and deform it to their tall but thin avatar – it will be a mess of nasty triangles poking out. They need a small mesh, because they’re thin.

Some folks waiting for the deformer, will be in an EVEN WORSE MESS once it gets here, because they “never read the manual.” These folks just need to learn what mesh does effect, and then they can find existing items that are close. And the deformer will just take that close and get closer. It won’t turn a circle into a square folks – it will take a square and bevel it.

I’ve relented and put up a shape for sale in Second Life – Proportionate Woman in Standard Sizes – a package of 5 customizable shapes ideal for use with mesh clothing.

I done gone and make a shape for sale in SL. Yeah… one that’s not a freebie.

I’ve written many times about my opinions that selling shapes is a bit… tacky… given that its just dials…

But years and years of time in SL and I keep seeing avatars with poor proportions. Putting up a guide has helped some. Guides from others have had an impact as well. But there are still a lot of people who cannot get the anatomy down right.

Add to this the growing prevalence of mesh clothing, and a -LOT- of people are having trouble fitting into new outfits / getting outfits to fit them. Publishing the numbers for ‘standard sizes’ hasn’t been enough there either it would seem.

So I decided to take two issues and put them together. Meet two goals in one step.

Make a series of shapes that are both proportionate to proper anatomy, AND meant to fit the popular ‘standard sizes’ now cropping up in mesh clothing.

The result is this:

This is a ‘cleaned up’ version of the product image, you’ll have to go to marketplace, or my shop inside of Second Life to see it in full. I need to check the TOS on wordpress to see how I can manage to put up the proper image. On the marketplace entry you can also see previews of all 5 shapes. The same was done with the box its sold from in my shop – a big cube, though I had to put one of them on the bottom that sits on the ground…

Here’s how I describe it:

All 5 standard sizes included: Large, Medium, Small, Extra Small, Extra Extra Small.

This is meant to be a series of modifiable shapes to help with getting a naturally proportionate adult woman’s avatar, which can be used with mesh clothing built for the popular ‘standard sizes:
http://bloggingsecondlife.wordpress.com/the-stores-creators-lists/mesh-stores-using-standard-sizing/

The shapes began by making a proportionate 5’5″ tall woman using this guide:
https://catnapkitty.wordpress.com/2011/06/15/getting-good-body-proportions-in-second-life/

The adjustments for standard sizes were then added in for:
Body Fat, Torso Muscle, Breast Size, Love Handles, Belly Size, Leg Muscle, Butt Size, and Saddle Bags.

Using this shape will allow your avatar to perform motion capture dances and animations much more smoothly, as the proportions fall within the realm of actual human possibility. You will be closer to the real world dancer used to create those motions, as well as closer to where the joints of the Second Life female mesh are intended to bend and morph with movement.

I do recommend that the first thing you do upon applying this shape is go into edit appearance and make some slight facial adjustments so you can be sure to be your own unique self. Save that new altered appearance under a different name so you can have a backup (and in case you alter it before reading this, the package comes with a backup copy).

If you’re an advanced user, or already have a face on a shape you like, you can copy the settings for your eyes, ears, nose, mouth, and chin into one of these shapes to keep a look that is you.

For head settings, you can copy in your settings on face shear, forehead angle, brow size, upper cheeks, lower cheeks, and cheek bones – and this will not alter your proportions.

I recommend not adjusting hand size. But foot size can be altered when wearing shoes.

– Pussycat Catnap

I’m charging $L150.

That’s more than 0, but I hope its still within reason for what goes into perfecting a shape. This is the result of my months of tweaking to get proportions right and attractive on my own avatar, the development of my proportions guide, readjusting that when mesh came out, and again when the standard sizes appeared.

Its copy / mod. So you can apply your own facial features to be you. The face used for it is -NOT- the one I use for myself. It was made to be attractive but not special – something people could work from rather than stay on.

Its a bit of an experiment for me to see a shape as something worth charging for. But I think I’m erring on the right side of things here with a low price for a package of 5 shapes.

Standard Sizing Package For mesh Clothing Design; Good or Bad Idea, or a Bit of Both?

Still need to do some edits to this… There’s a lot of argument (hardly debate, more rantish most of the time) against the ideas of standard scales and proportions for avatars. Folks often pick a horridly distorted shape, or make one for sale; and then become attached to defending that choice when made aware of its problems. Others choose a ‘fun-house mirror look’ on purpose, for effect – but these folks tend to actually know what they’re looking at, and have purposeful distortions designed for a specific intent.

Various arguments have formed over what can be done, or even if anything should be done, to address this.

Mesh now complicates the whole feud – due to the lack of its ability to ‘auto fit’ some shape dials, while perfectly matching others… Or in short; mesh will auto size itself to any height, limb length, or body width. But if your ‘bust-waist-hips’ fail to match the model used to make the mesh clothing, you’re out of luck.

Go shopping for mesh clothes and you’ll discover that this is rapidly dissolving into exactly the chaos people predicted when they warned of the problems of Linden Lab not including a deformer… There’s a motley variety of dimensions to clothes on the market, and the labels are near meaningless. Small from brand A is ‘the fat lady sings’ in the eyes of brand B… And even if two brands match for waist and hips, they might have very different ideas of bust…

I’ve read a little bit on the idea of starting a standard, and have been somewhat critical of it in past topics. Still not convinced, for some reasons noted below. But it also may be the only real solution we have unless and until Linden Lab decides to grace us with the “gift” of including the code community members had to fund a third party contractor former Lab employee to make without any guarantees it would even be adopted… That deformer… the sort of thing that really should have been a ‘cannot ship mesh without’ line in the sand element. This is the kind of lack of core feature that in most development communities, management should have laid down the law and put people’s jobs on the line to get in there before Mesh was released.

I’m ranting…

Ok, so, the above in mind, I stumbled across something interesting last night while looking for a completely different thing on Marketplace (I was looking for an SL version of a Bobo Shanti turban hat for a female Rastafarian – which is NOT those touristy hippie tam things – and that somehow landed me here after giving up on search and just hitting a few random browse buttons.)

Someone on marketplace is attempting to develop a standard sizes fashion system. 5 sizes based on these dimensions:

Medium:
Body Fat: 11
Torso Muscle: 38
Breast Size: 58
Love Handles: 31
Belly Size: 6
Leg Muscle: 56
Butt Size: 44
Saddle Bags: 36

Small:
Body Fat: 7
Torso Muscle: 35
Breast Size: 52
Love Handles: 28
Belly Size: 3
Leg Muscle: 50
Butt Size: 38
Saddle Bags: 33

The ‘package’ is a freebie with 5 shapes, that I assume have those numbers alongside the other values – the notion being that you just need to stay close to the dimensions here and any mesh clothes made for it will fit you.

It also comes with a long notecard explaining the objectives of the project, which seems a very noble goal. Some anticipated concerns are answered, such as ‘what if my shape doesn’t match these numbers’.

Finally, it has a download link to a zip file of some mesh objects – bodies to load into a 3D application to use for building clothes to match.
– I need to learn how one takes the SL avatar mesh out of SL and into a 3D app, to see how this part was done.

– The problem is they have 3 sizes under M, and only 1 above it; which is way above it. Some of the reviews on Marketplace have slammed the project for this. I would say it needs at least 1 more size in between M and L.

Note how the dimensions are basically bust-waist-hips related. Not height. Also not ‘Thickness’. That’s because mesh doesn’t care about height or limb length or avatar thickness; it rescales to those automatically, but not to these other things.

But it is missing cleavage which is extremely important. That said, its something that in RL adjusts depending on what you wear anyway, so no one has any business complaining a clothing item fails to match their cleavage setting, unless they’ve never seen a real woman’s body. πŸ˜‰
– Honestly no ‘breast’ setting should seen as something to get attached to. Its the nature of wearing or not wearing clothes that it ‘mashes up’ the soft tissue there. Folks just need to get used to changing the dials for that part of the body to fit their outfit, because anytime you put something on in RL, that’s exactly what happens to you.

The standard sizes ‘team’ claims to have surveyed 500 female avatars, but I see no link to a blog or to the survey for it to be checked for accuracy. While 500 is a valid sample size (anyone who has actually studied polling at a university level knows this) – the question that is more important is how were they selected… Again, never saw any forum post or group notice or blogs announcing it. But maybe I just missed them. So the product should link to them.

Curiously M and S are very similar to my own dimensions for those parts.

Me:

Body Fat: 3
Torso Muscle: 37
Breast SIze: 50
Love Handles: 29
Belly Size: 0
Leg Muscles: 50
Butt Size: 45
Saddle Bags: 30
– So I’m going to test some items made with this system and see how well it works for me.

I’m also wondering now if my avatar has a bit of a ‘bubble butt’ on other people’s screens… πŸ™‚

Almost every shape setting not listed above (again except for cleavage) DOES NOT MATTER for mesh. This means two people can be the same “size” on this system but actually have completely different ‘shapes’.

I’m also of the opinion that for standard sizes they should have used dimensions from the real life fashion industry for some top brands, and not SL. Second Life avatars are notorious for being deformed monstrosities… πŸ™‚ Something to help people look better would be good.

Something like perhaps, a Proportion guide, if not fashions with sizes based on the variety real life fashion designers contend with.

Addendum from a comment I left on the nwn blog:
SL of a year from now will likely be something very alien to the SL of today. Mesh frees up a lot of past limits.

Right now folks are paying most of their attention to clothes and avatars, because that’s “sexy”.

Things like tears, ‘male bits’, hair, feet, tails, ears, and so on will bring dramatic changes even for ‘non-furries’.

But the big shock is going to come when things that you rez on the land get a serious looking at – since those need to consider prim cost, and the prim cost of a mesh is set by its -SIZE- when rezzed.

The smaller you make it, the less prims it uses.

And that will cycle us right back into discussions about things for avatars: since mesh items worn on avatars -AUTO- scale up or down regardless of avatar scale – the need to be the size the item was made for now no longer exists (you just need to have the bust-waist-hips it was made for).

– And that too will go away if we either adopt some standards like this project, or Qarl’s code makes it in. Hopefully Qarl’s code will make it in.

But do get ready to make your avatar smaller… because pretty soon that’s going to be coming up as a hot topic again when this discovery of how size affects prim cost becomes more widespread. I predict lots of flame wars, a few accusations of ‘techno-communist-child-avatar-agendas’ and other irrational insanity… but once people realize they can wear all their mesh clothes on any size, many will likely just go with the size that lets them have the most prims on their land – not for the reasons of scale so often advocated in past, but simply so they can more fully fill up things like the space of a linden home.

Mesh scaling to reduce prim cost – smaller scale in SL really is better now

Today’s blog gets right to the core of all the debates about scale in Second Life.

The ‘Resource Cost’ of mesh items appears to be directly connected to their -size- and not just complexity. The smaller the item you rez, the less it will cost.

This is something I’ve been noticing the more Mesh objects I get on my land.

From houses to furniture to plants to… whatever… the trend seems the same. I’m going to illustrate it with a dramatic example.

The LAQ Decor 100% Mesh Cottage:

I took this house and scaled it down to work for a ‘to scale avatar’ – making the doorway entrance 2.2 meters in clearance (the prim says 2.3, but it clears 2.2). Fitting a 7’2″ person.

Standard door size in the USA is 36″ x 80″, or 2.03m tall, so this new ‘smaller scale’ is still big. At 7’2″, it is basketball player breezing through in comfort.

Originally the house was 76 prims:

And that doorway was a good 3 meters. Fit for a giant at 9’10”. Just to give you an idea, that is -TALLER- than the Na’vi in the movie Avatar.

Scaling it down reduced the cost to 45 prims:

That’s a savings of 31 prims. NOT a trivial amount. One tiny corner of the floor went phantom, so I had to add one prim more in by putting in a floor. But convex hull linking that floor prim to another prim on my land got its cost right back (In fact 4 prims linked in a convex hall for some walls and platforms, came to 2 at convex hull).

This makes a POWERFUL argument in favor of scaling down builds in second life, and by extension, scaling avatars down to a ‘to-scale’ size, to take advantage of these smaller builds.

Those 31 saved prims can fit a lot of furniture. I could fit my entire mesh living room into that budget 3 times.

Especially when the mesh recliner chair given out by LAQ Decor -also- reduced in prim cost when I scaled it down to a human-sized avatar.

In scaling this house there were two problems. Two prims had a face at a size of 0.01 – the smallest allowed in Second Life. I had to find them (individually selecting every prim until I knew which ones were this size), and then make that one face larger (I chose 0.1 arbitrarily), and then rescale. They were transparent prims so them getting distorted was not an issue. Normally when I do this after rescaling I go back to those prims and make that one side 0.01 again.

Here they are:


(I need to rescale these images, they’re kind of big…)

This scaling down of course will only work on mod items. So make sure to avoid no-mod mesh if you want to be able to manage your prim cost.

Really you should never buy no-mod items anyway. Especially for things rezzed on your land that you will likely want to edit and adjust over time as you gain experience in Second Life, and a sense of personal virtual style.

The LAQ Decor house had to be mod, it was in a rez-box. If you pay attention to my screenshots above you’ll see I was selecting 4 objects. The house is not all liked up. This is common for houses – a smart buyer can ensure a mod-able build by buying things sold in a rezzing system like this.

To resize it I selected all of the prims and just chose the stretch option, then stretched it down with my avatar standing in the doorway until it felt like the relationship between the two resembled me and my RL doorway. Then I walked inside and stood next to the windows. BUT my avatar is 5’4″ or 5’6″ – not 8-feet like some you’ll see in SL. It helps to scale down your avatar first, so you can then eyeball everything else for your chosen dimensions.

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