So yesterday I had my first meeting for “The Progressive Left Think Tank” and we had one guy there who did not seem to understand that this was meant as a meeting for progressives to come up with ideas together and well… strategize and plan.
Instead, like they always do – he felt the need to invade our space and try to co-op the meeting over to “all the reasons libertarians are the real liberals and you progressives are wrong about everything.” You know… the usual way they behave.
You know… if you are one of them and reading this… I don’t go crashing your space to rant about horrible things like “people should have equal rights” and “black people have a right to be alive” and “women have brains” and “imagine if we made the planet a better place just because, no profit involved” and “respect is only something you can lose, but everyone starts with it.” You know… all of our horrible ideas and touchy feely stuff like wanting to have rights.
I say that here. My space. And I say it in my groups and among my fellows. And we use the public space to argue it out over whether or not cops should be allowed to murder people without even giving them a trial.
But then again this argument is all about respect and rights… so… of course the side arguing that other people don’t deserve respect and rights will… invade the space of other people… because they don’t respect our rights.
To them I just have to say… history is a long road. And its moving my way.
So that person, well, we had him going in the group, up until… here, see for yourself:
[2017/03/01 20:29] Pussycat Catnap: I think one traditional notion for the progressive left is that it is the role of government to look after the welfare of the people.
[2017/03/01 20:29] [V]: It’s hard to organize when everybody’s poor and struggling to get by
[2017/03/01 20:30] [S-M]: Korben, I disagree
[2017/03/01 20:30] [V]: Yes, Pussycat
[2017/03/01 20:30] Pussycat Catnap: Government shouldn’t be weakened – it should be harnessed as the tool to empower equality.
[2017/03/01 20:32] [Z]: [V]…I think that’s a wonderful idea….but let’s not forget the role of government in this….in a perfect world, my neighbors would take care of me and vice versa….but government, as I see it….is simply a gigantic union whose members are it’s citizens…..Mangement in this case is any and all private interests….The Union is the Public Interest……as a Liberal (and i use that term to describe myself)…I get really tired of people who treat the Government as this evil, “other”……it is us writ large……and it’s about damn time it served it’s workers and not it’s casino players.
[2017/03/01 20:30] Korben Rage: But the founders disagree with you, they said as much
[2017/03/01 20:31] Pussycat Catnap: The founders were all basically men like Trump, but with better educations: rich land barons who used slavery and exploitation of the poor to empower themselves and their own social class. It’s an accident that the document they left behind has been put to better use than they intended.
[2017/03/01 20:34] Pussycat Catnap: If not for people who fought against the founder’s vision, I would be a slave – my African ancestry, not much of it in me, but it is there, was about 100% Nigerian in the early 1800s somewhere.
[2017/03/01 20:34] Korben Rage: The founders didn’t enslave anyone
[2017/03/01 20:34] Pussycat Catnap: That ancestor would not have mixed out and into the many ethnicities I have now, if they had remained slaves.
[2017/03/01 20:35] [S-M]: OMG Korben, listen to yourself
[2017/03/01 20:35] Korben Rage: it’s true, Slavery was a thing created by others BEFORE the USA existed
[2017/03/01 20:35] Korben Rage: And the 3/5 compromise was meant to end it
[2017/03/01 20:36] [S-M]: the founders bought slaves that others imported here, and enslaved themselves those slaves offspring
[2017/03/01 20:36] [V]: We are going to have to acknowledge that the US was founded on slavery and genocide, though; without the former to bolster the economy and the latter to clear the land, the US wouldn’t exist
[2017/03/01 20:36] Korben Rage: True, but they didn’t start the practice
[2017/03/01 20:36] Pussycat Catnap: This is basically the point – where the Libertarian and the Progressive/Liberal part ways: should the society use a collective method to empower equality (progressive), or leave it up to individual actors who will act in self-interest for the betterment of society (libertarian)
[2017/03/01 20:37] Korben Rage: how do you empower equality, sounds like an oxymoron to me?
[2017/03/01 20:37] [Z]: The founders owned slaves…the founders struck the Deal With The Devil (the 3/5ths compromise)……it’s a bit disingenous for a man who penned “all men are created equal” to be squarely behind this deal…..but he was……If I come upon stolen money and still choose to spend it….it doesn’t really matter morally whether I stole it or not.
[2017/03/01 20:37] [S-M]: so, any practice you did not, yourself, originate you are justified in perpetuating?
[2017/03/01 20:37] [V]: Unfortunately, we are a part of society…. If there’s a way to rip myself free and live as a fully autonomous job creator, show me the door 🙂
[2017/03/01 20:38] Korben Rage: The US wouldn’t exist without that deal with the devil and couldn’t have ended slavery later
[2017/03/01 20:40] Pussycat Catnap: Well. I would rather not spend this time debating how we shouldn’t be progressives, but should be libertarians. Can we get back to Progressive definitions and thoughts on tactics?
[2017/03/01 20:40] [S-M]: but we did, at leas legally, end slavery. The question is what do we do NOW
[2017/03/01 20:40] [S-M]: thank you Pussycat
[2017/03/01 20:40] [V]: Continue dealing with the aftermath…. slavery ended eventually, but systemic racism has yet to…
[2017/03/01 20:41] Korben Rage: Pussycat but that’s why I ask, we aren’t that different, you have no hope of convincing a trump voter if you can’t convince me
[2017/03/01 20:41] Korben Rage: True systematic racism still exists, but it’s by the gov and against whites
[2017/03/01 20:41] Pussycat Catnap: I’m actually not holding this meeting to convince any Trump voters nor any libertarians.
[2017/03/01 20:42] Pussycat Catnap: Hmmm… yeah that one was my own personal nope – not going to let that line go.
[2017/03/01 20:42] Second Life: Avatar ejected.
[2017/03/01 20:43] Korben Rage: how typical, that’s why so few respect you
[2017/03/01 20:43] Pussycat Catnap: I didn’t hold this meeting to argue with people over how whites have been slaves for 500 years to the African.
Ok I got snarky there at the end. And yeah “I” might not be a slave today if the Civil War hadn’t happened – but somebody else who ended up descended from that ancestor would be. And me? I wouldn’t even exist. Many of you wouldn’t either.
Now… If you happen to agree with this bloke, you do not belong in a gathering of Progressives, Leftists, or Liberals.
So… A few hours later I figured I should recheck this.
Make sure I was not over-reacting.
Let’s look at this guy’s profile and find out:
Yeah like… no…
Kinda doesn’t matter if I had originally over-reacted when I’m dealing with that. That is actually not the end of it. There’s more if you look through all the tabs at his picks and groups…
Still not convinced? If you really have no familiarity with, or are in denial about hate groups: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+supremacy+symbols&t=ffsb&iax=1&ia=images
– That symbol is pretty well known.
That… is not the way to approach life.
You gotta be better than that kind of path.
We’re going to keep on trodding this path. We’ve got a plan for another meeting next week. The topic will be, more or less:
Topic for next week: The Indivisibility paper:
We will discuss our thoughts on it, and how we can take action based on how it inspires or otherwise guides us.
See also: http://thesixtyfive.org/home
And the general website: https://www.indivisibleguide.com
If you’re a Progressive, a Liberal, a Leftist, or somewhere in the range of those notions… If you understand how that is not a Libertarian… come on by and we can work on that together.
But I’ve no patience for racists or libertarians (they seem to go hand in hand very often. I know all of one libertarian that I would say is not racist – a good friend in real life btw… frustrates me, but without the racism I can at least find other things to have in common without feeling a sense of danger).
I’m not holding debates. I’m holding gatherings to work ideas.
So… in moments like this, I turn to music. Music is my prayer.
In this time you know, its not easy getting around. For Droop Lion representing to the fullness in
this time y’all.
When the barrel cracks and the smoke smell
Mama sing a prayer for me
She put her arms around me and say this place gonna set us free
Early morning Black Maria come and take my black brothers on a jail ride
But if they taking us all to hell center
Don’t you know some of us won’t reach alive
I’m taking the freeway
The freeway way, right away
The freeway, o my brothers and sisters
They will be seeing me trodding up the King’s highway (repeat)
See the smoke rise above Earth surface
While the mountains come to the sea
Building blocks is burning, is burning,
On the news someone crying help
Thunder roll and lightning strikes
See the sun comes with all its might
Plantation field, it is burning
Setting the way for us to be free
Wheel is tough but me got to turn it
O father God, o help me on this journey
Walk through the fire and the flames don’t burn me
Walk through the tornado and the wind don’t turn me
Live ‘mongst eden, them can’t hurt me
Run with the swiftest, none of them don’t splurt me
I never do no wrong fi Babylon come girth me
I know my God … salvation
Ya’ll should listen to this one too: