New fullperms Freebies out: Belleza Freya and Isis Proportionaate Shapes and Physics Kits

I know its been a year since I’ve updated my blog and I’ve still yet to get around to doing new reviews of mesh bodies…

However that said, I’ve put out two new freebies:

One for Belleza Freya:
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/FREE-Belleza-Freya-Proportionate-Shapes-And-Physics-Kit/7691358

And one for Belleza Isis:
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/FREE-Belleza-Isis-Proportionate-Shapes-And-Physics-Kit/7691737

Please go get a copy, and hand it out to people as desired.

ProportionsKitBellezaFreyaProportionsKitBellezaIsis

This kits include, as pasted from the notecard included with the kit:

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3 Shapes for Belleza Freya or 3 Shapes for Belleza Isis
– They vary in bosom size, and with each of those I’ve also adjusted the butt, saddle bags, and some muscle.

1 “Zion Kitty Multi-Posing Stand”
– This will give you some handy poses for editing yourself or worn attachments.

5 Props to wear on “Avatar Center”
– These will let you see your proportions, handy if you change these shapes or make your own proportionate shapes. As long as you stretch these uniformly, they can be used to tell if an adult avatar is proportionate regardless of how tall or short it is. They will work regardless of the gender of the avatar.

3 Physics Files
One for normal clothing, one for more firm clothing that holds body motion in place, and one for nude, bikini, and the like unconstrained motion. These will need adjustment to your personal preferences, but should be useful for getting started.

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Finally there is a long winded notecard with the instructions above (in more detail) and a list of what shape dials can be modified without losing proportions.
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Some tips from that notecard:
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When adjusting your own shape, these are the shape dials you can mess with without messing up the proportions this kit helps with:

All dials from:
Eyes
Ears
Nose
Mouth

These individual dials:

Hover
Forehead Angle
Brow Size
Upper Cheeks
Lower Cheeks
Cheek Bones

Chin Angle – somewhat… it will slightly change your head size. But minor tweaks are OK.
Jaw Shape
Chin Depth
Jaw Angle – Same issue as Chin Angle
Jaw Jut
Jowls
Chin Cleft
Upper Chin Cleft
Chin-Neck – Same issue as Chin Angle

Torso Muscle – this will slightly effect the way we test body width, but it is safe to ignore that impact.

Neck Thickness
Breast Size
Breast Buoyancy
Breast Cleavage
Love Handles
Belly Size
Leg Muscles – Won’t effect my “tests” by extreme values “in isolation” are not proportional.
Hip Width – Won’t effect my “tests” by extreme values “in isolation” are not proportional.
Butt Size
Saddle Bags – Won’t effect my “tests” by extreme values “in isolation” are not proportional.
Knee Angle

Foot Size – this dial doesn’t work on the Belleza Body. The Belleza Body’s foot is about 1/4th of a toe too big for these shapes, perfect for an avatar about 1-3″ inches taller, and too small for any shape over that height. But at the height of this kit’s shapes, any issues are so small you won’t notice them unless purposefully testing them like I did for making this kit. I didn’t even know this until I prepared this notecard… In other words, don’t worry about it. πŸ™‚

Any “male specific” dials are safe to adjust.

If you adjust any other dials, you will need to use the props or a healthy pile of rulers to retest your proportions. πŸ™‚

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You have my permission to give the contents of this kit out, include it in things, use it as a base for your own shapes (free or commercially sold) and so on. No need to ask. I want to help as many people as possible get their shape proportionate and yet also customized to their self-identity, so I’m all for seeing the items in this spread around.

So not only do you have my blessing to hand this out, but I’m hoping you do so.

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And so yeah… I’m a BIG fan of mesh bodies. It might be obvious that a year after my last review, I’ve now since settled on the Belleza Mesh avatar, specifically the Freya body, but both bodies are very high quality. The shapes will more or less work on most bodies – and the included props should help you fix any lingering issues.

Why does this kit have so much more “loot” than my kit for standard sizes? Because that was made in 2011 and this is made in 2015, and I’ve learned a few tricks to make measuring proportions easier. πŸ™‚

Mesh clothes don’t care if you’re tall or short, thick or thin. They care about stretch of bust-waist-hips

Sept 18, 2015 Edit: Obviously fitmesh bodies are the clothing made for them are an exception to this. As to regular fitmesh on the default avatar – for some reason I have as yet been unable to find any that actually fits…


I keep seeing this over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again… πŸ™‚

Something like this:

The […] standard sizes are ridiculous. Oddly, they seem to have decided that [large are fat][small are skinny][etc]. I wonder if those who created the β€œstandards” ever [assorted complaints]

This is because the person concerned is reading a word the way say, men use it when they shop in the real world.

Mesh clothing works a little more like a lot of T-Shirts do, and a lot of women’s cloths. Where a size small means you’re skinny, and a size large means you really don’t need to stop at Burger King on the way home tonight.

Think of it like this, using the standard sizes:

XXS: Michael Jackson would have done a concert to feed you.
XS: You look thin
S: You’re fit.
M: You shop in the plus size section.
L: You have reserved seating at the local Fried Chicken joint.

And just bump those one position for men, since male STandard sizes go from XS to XL. Male XL is basically female L.

You could still be taller than Abe Lincoln, or Shorter than Mini-Me. It just don’t matter.

Look at the standard sizes program, notice how it only seems to care about a few certain dails:

Women:
Body Fat
Torso Muscle
Breast Size
Love Handles
Belly Size
Leg Muscle
Butt Size
Saddle Bags

Men:
Body Fat
Belly Size
Torso Muscle
Love Handles
Leg Muscle
Butt Size
Saddle Bags
Package
Pectorals

Notice what’s not in there?

Height. Having T-Rex arms or legs. Your neck. Your head. Your ‘thickness’ dial.

Why? Cause mesh doesn’t care. These are scale dials, or for the head – would not be important unless you wanted to buy a mesh ski-mask to go rob the local stop-n-rob in Bay City (hey I own that shop…)

There are only two dials that matter for mesh that are -NOT- in the lists above; Breast Buoyancy and Cleavage. If you don’t know why – you’ve never touched real boobies… πŸ™‚

So if you’re tall and thin, and you looked at Standard Sizes and thought “this is broken”… go try the XXS or XS size. That’s probably you.

Mesh fits a -LOT- more people than some think. Many who feel it doesn’t fit them are in fact within the zone of commonly used settings.

The deformer won’t help these folks. If they grab a ‘large’ mesh and deform it to their tall but thin avatar – it will be a mess of nasty triangles poking out. They need a small mesh, because they’re thin.

Some folks waiting for the deformer, will be in an EVEN WORSE MESS once it gets here, because they “never read the manual.” These folks just need to learn what mesh does effect, and then they can find existing items that are close. And the deformer will just take that close and get closer. It won’t turn a circle into a square folks – it will take a square and bevel it.

Standard Sizing Package For mesh Clothing Design; Good or Bad Idea, or a Bit of Both?

Still need to do some edits to this… There’s a lot of argument (hardly debate, more rantish most of the time) against the ideas of standard scales and proportions for avatars. Folks often pick a horridly distorted shape, or make one for sale; and then become attached to defending that choice when made aware of its problems. Others choose a ‘fun-house mirror look’ on purpose, for effect – but these folks tend to actually know what they’re looking at, and have purposeful distortions designed for a specific intent.

Various arguments have formed over what can be done, or even if anything should be done, to address this.

Mesh now complicates the whole feud – due to the lack of its ability to ‘auto fit’ some shape dials, while perfectly matching others… Or in short; mesh will auto size itself to any height, limb length, or body width. But if your ‘bust-waist-hips’ fail to match the model used to make the mesh clothing, you’re out of luck.

Go shopping for mesh clothes and you’ll discover that this is rapidly dissolving into exactly the chaos people predicted when they warned of the problems of Linden Lab not including a deformer… There’s a motley variety of dimensions to clothes on the market, and the labels are near meaningless. Small from brand A is ‘the fat lady sings’ in the eyes of brand B… And even if two brands match for waist and hips, they might have very different ideas of bust…

I’ve read a little bit on the idea of starting a standard, and have been somewhat critical of it in past topics. Still not convinced, for some reasons noted below. But it also may be the only real solution we have unless and until Linden Lab decides to grace us with the “gift” of including the code community members had to fund a third party contractor former Lab employee to make without any guarantees it would even be adopted… That deformer… the sort of thing that really should have been a ‘cannot ship mesh without’ line in the sand element. This is the kind of lack of core feature that in most development communities, management should have laid down the law and put people’s jobs on the line to get in there before Mesh was released.

I’m ranting…

Ok, so, the above in mind, I stumbled across something interesting last night while looking for a completely different thing on Marketplace (I was looking for an SL version of a Bobo Shanti turban hat for a female Rastafarian – which is NOT those touristy hippie tam things – and that somehow landed me here after giving up on search and just hitting a few random browse buttons.)

Someone on marketplace is attempting to develop a standard sizes fashion system. 5 sizes based on these dimensions:

Medium:
Body Fat: 11
Torso Muscle: 38
Breast Size: 58
Love Handles: 31
Belly Size: 6
Leg Muscle: 56
Butt Size: 44
Saddle Bags: 36

Small:
Body Fat: 7
Torso Muscle: 35
Breast Size: 52
Love Handles: 28
Belly Size: 3
Leg Muscle: 50
Butt Size: 38
Saddle Bags: 33

The ‘package’ is a freebie with 5 shapes, that I assume have those numbers alongside the other values – the notion being that you just need to stay close to the dimensions here and any mesh clothes made for it will fit you.

It also comes with a long notecard explaining the objectives of the project, which seems a very noble goal. Some anticipated concerns are answered, such as ‘what if my shape doesn’t match these numbers’.

Finally, it has a download link to a zip file of some mesh objects – bodies to load into a 3D application to use for building clothes to match.
– I need to learn how one takes the SL avatar mesh out of SL and into a 3D app, to see how this part was done.

– The problem is they have 3 sizes under M, and only 1 above it; which is way above it. Some of the reviews on Marketplace have slammed the project for this. I would say it needs at least 1 more size in between M and L.

Note how the dimensions are basically bust-waist-hips related. Not height. Also not ‘Thickness’. That’s because mesh doesn’t care about height or limb length or avatar thickness; it rescales to those automatically, but not to these other things.

But it is missing cleavage which is extremely important. That said, its something that in RL adjusts depending on what you wear anyway, so no one has any business complaining a clothing item fails to match their cleavage setting, unless they’ve never seen a real woman’s body. πŸ˜‰
– Honestly no ‘breast’ setting should seen as something to get attached to. Its the nature of wearing or not wearing clothes that it ‘mashes up’ the soft tissue there. Folks just need to get used to changing the dials for that part of the body to fit their outfit, because anytime you put something on in RL, that’s exactly what happens to you.

The standard sizes ‘team’ claims to have surveyed 500 female avatars, but I see no link to a blog or to the survey for it to be checked for accuracy. While 500 is a valid sample size (anyone who has actually studied polling at a university level knows this) – the question that is more important is how were they selected… Again, never saw any forum post or group notice or blogs announcing it. But maybe I just missed them. So the product should link to them.

Curiously M and S are very similar to my own dimensions for those parts.

Me:

Body Fat: 3
Torso Muscle: 37
Breast SIze: 50
Love Handles: 29
Belly Size: 0
Leg Muscles: 50
Butt Size: 45
Saddle Bags: 30
– So I’m going to test some items made with this system and see how well it works for me.

I’m also wondering now if my avatar has a bit of a ‘bubble butt’ on other people’s screens… πŸ™‚

Almost every shape setting not listed above (again except for cleavage) DOES NOT MATTER for mesh. This means two people can be the same “size” on this system but actually have completely different ‘shapes’.

I’m also of the opinion that for standard sizes they should have used dimensions from the real life fashion industry for some top brands, and not SL. Second Life avatars are notorious for being deformed monstrosities… πŸ™‚ Something to help people look better would be good.

Something like perhaps, a Proportion guide, if not fashions with sizes based on the variety real life fashion designers contend with.

Addendum from a comment I left on the nwn blog:
SL of a year from now will likely be something very alien to the SL of today. Mesh frees up a lot of past limits.

Right now folks are paying most of their attention to clothes and avatars, because that’s “sexy”.

Things like tears, ‘male bits’, hair, feet, tails, ears, and so on will bring dramatic changes even for ‘non-furries’.

But the big shock is going to come when things that you rez on the land get a serious looking at – since those need to consider prim cost, and the prim cost of a mesh is set by its -SIZE- when rezzed.

The smaller you make it, the less prims it uses.

And that will cycle us right back into discussions about things for avatars: since mesh items worn on avatars -AUTO- scale up or down regardless of avatar scale – the need to be the size the item was made for now no longer exists (you just need to have the bust-waist-hips it was made for).

– And that too will go away if we either adopt some standards like this project, or Qarl’s code makes it in. Hopefully Qarl’s code will make it in.

But do get ready to make your avatar smaller… because pretty soon that’s going to be coming up as a hot topic again when this discovery of how size affects prim cost becomes more widespread. I predict lots of flame wars, a few accusations of ‘techno-communist-child-avatar-agendas’ and other irrational insanity… but once people realize they can wear all their mesh clothes on any size, many will likely just go with the size that lets them have the most prims on their land – not for the reasons of scale so often advocated in past, but simply so they can more fully fill up things like the space of a linden home.

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